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At our tech school all 3.0 chargers need a cross on the intake side, 4.1 and 540 classes need a cross over pipe blanket , unless your cross over pipe measures .120 thick. More info go to PPL tech page on Facebook
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David Runkle(earls dream)
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We just had are spring meeting here last week for Badger State. And talking about rules and the LLSS class, I had one puller say we need to look at the class as a whole instead of one individual or individuals that what something changed. We are here to put on a show for the fans and the promoters who pay for the class to be there. As for the code of conduct , it's written on our payment o
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David Runkle(earls dream)
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To Lewis , I was at a tech school last Saturday to get certified for PPL tech and the box charger with possibly of caim rule was talked about. I don't think it's to far off in some classes. The biggest thing was cost of the latest and greatest prices they're charging.
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David Runkle(earls dream)
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First off , are tractors having head problems? What the reason behind the push for recast heads? What will be the the rules for the head , stock location for intake and exhaust manifolds and valves? Or is it a free for all .
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David Runkle(earls dream)
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One of my fellow pullers were discussing this topic and Box Charger was mentioned for this limited class which I kinda was an interesting take. Since everyone worried about breaking rears. Would be spending for updated chargers every Two year at 6-7000 a pop.
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David Runkle(earls dream)
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Deere Puller - There are 6 Rules in the PPL rule book for the LLSS Western Series. Nothing on head rules for that class Most of the LLSS rules that I have read state that most run OEM factory heads
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David Runkle(earls dream)
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That's interesting, in December talked with Hayden Otto said they didn't. I have been asked for a set of printed rules for over a year , I guess that's maybe why.
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David Runkle(earls dream)
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So if this is coming , what is the exact rules ? Say engine placement? Because stock engine placement is not the same in every brand. And what's next remanufactured heads or billet ?.
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David Runkle(earls dream)
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Your last paragraph about how much money has been spent is true. I have guys talk about this all the time. LLSS was too be an entry level low cost class, but the more rules are changed the more you will spend. So I think that ship has sailed
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David Runkle(earls dream)
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I know that everyone wants a general set of rules . Pullers need to be aware when someone doesn't pull in this class decides what best for it, it's not always the best decision.If it's about safety then it needs to be considered . Be careful what you wish for . I hear this many times in board meetings.
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David Runkle(earls dream)
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Someone asked a simple question about Badger State LLSS . I responded with a simple answer. Please don't go down this road that my horse is better than yours . It really looks bad and plus it has been discussed many times on here before
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David Runkle(earls dream)
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Both points are well taken. I am not for sure but I think the class is at that point, just like adding the alcohol tractors a few years back. But understand that if this would happen we need support through out the season not just a few times.We don't need tractors that show up when they feel like it, which doesn't help with season. Because promoters want numbers.
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David Runkle(earls dream)
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I can pass on the information, but the guys that want this I wish you would come to the meeting in person. This would go over better that your there supporting this and become a member. It's not about just pulling a time or two. Meeting is December 7 at Noon at the Wilderness event center in the Dells.
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David Runkle(earls dream)
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The easiest way is to go to the board or class rep your planning to pull with and ask. Asking on here gets you nowhere when it comes to the LLSS class
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David Runkle(earls dream)
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I never mentioned take 30s away. How many of you keep stats over the years how the season goes with the rules implemented in your clubs?
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David Runkle(earls dream)
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At this point people are not wanting to change the engine rules or turbo rules. The weight is pretty clear what clubs want to run. As for the tires , the 30.5 on diesel are an advantage . I have run against a few and have gotten 20 feet put on the 24.5 diesel guys, same engine rules. I like alcohol tractors running either one . There always debate on these rules and over the years we still end up
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David Runkle(earls dream)
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Also need to check the clubs head rule , some only allow 12 valve , not the 24 in a cylinder head
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David Runkle(earls dream)
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One thing is that if your caught after a 500 protest, your out a year and 10 days. With a 5000 reinstatement fee.
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David Runkle(earls dream)
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I am going to agree with Oly on his comment. If you want a cubic inch check , you put up the 500 dollars. This is what I was told.
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David Runkle(earls dream)
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Both of Otto's tractors are 410 with cooler and slotted 3 by 4 charger
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David Runkle(earls dream)
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On the turbo's for diesels. Depends on your association rules . Some are 3by4 smooth bore for Ecitpa , BSTP. Wtpa , and others are either 3by 4 map or 3.4by 4. And yes alcohol are 3by 4 smooth bore.
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David Runkle(earls dream)
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This class is like comparing an Apple to an Orange. No matter what you do they will never taste the same . But what makes this class fun and interesting is that we are all fruit.
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David Runkle(earls dream)
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I think when less than 1% of the US population uses tractors and can relate to tractor pulling. And people in the Ag community is getting older and farms getting passed on the the bigger farms is the problem for interest. As for thinking everyone get in for free your wrong , I am able to get only two in , others that come with pay their way and depending on what the gate changes is anywhere to 1
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David Runkle(earls dream)
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One thing is I haven't be asked to be a the fair convention to represent our class. Plus the rules for the class are already in place by the convention in February. If you would like to see change come to the meeting on December 3 at 12:00 noon . I would be happy to discuss it .
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David Runkle(earls dream)
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The class present rules to the board. If it not discussed with in the class break out sessions it will never get voted on. My advice is to talk with the class reps or come to the meeting. It never hurts to listen to new ideas. But telling someone on this forum mostly goes no where with out someone voicing thought the right channels or a phone call.
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David Runkle(earls dream)
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As for the channels who you talk too? Did you call the class rep? And if the both are that interested call me. But after 7 at night with harvest still going.
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David Runkle(earls dream)
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For all of you that want BSTP to run 470 . We do have a meeting in Dec . I have been asking for the last few years someone to come state the case for 470. Haven't seen anyone or any calls for people interested, just that we should change just because. And are you going to run all the season pulls ? And support all year long?
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David Runkle(earls dream)
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We use a 500 ranger , works well.
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David Runkle(earls dream)
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The guys with the 3.4 470 pretty much in the WTPA in Wisconsin have been doing very well even over the 410 cooler with map ring. I don't think this would be any different , especially the guys running smooth bore 410 cooler even with extra 200. I would rather see a one size turbo rule at the same weight.
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David Runkle(earls dream)
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$ we as pullers check on equipment after, before each pull. No matter what you do things happen when you start pushing , parts fail . I had a turbo go this year and was the first one in my 20 years of pulling .
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