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Also need to check the clubs head rule , some only allow 12 valve , not the 24 in a cylinder head
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One thing is that if your caught after a 500 protest, your out a year and 10 days. With a 5000 reinstatement fee.
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I am going to agree with Oly on his comment. If you want a cubic inch check , you put up the 500 dollars. This is what I was told.
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Both of Otto's tractors are 410 with cooler and slotted 3 by 4 charger
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On the turbo's for diesels. Depends on your association rules . Some are 3by4 smooth bore for Ecitpa , BSTP. Wtpa , and others are either 3by 4 map or 3.4by 4. And yes alcohol are 3by 4 smooth bore.
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This class is like comparing an Apple to an Orange. No matter what you do they will never taste the same . But what makes this class fun and interesting is that we are all fruit.
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I think when less than 1% of the US population uses tractors and can relate to tractor pulling. And people in the Ag community is getting older and farms getting passed on the the bigger farms is the problem for interest. As for thinking everyone get in for free your wrong , I am able to get only two in , others that come with pay their way and depending on what the gate changes is anywhere to 1
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One thing is I haven't be asked to be a the fair convention to represent our class. Plus the rules for the class are already in place by the convention in February. If you would like to see change come to the meeting on December 3 at 12:00 noon . I would be happy to discuss it .
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The class present rules to the board. If it not discussed with in the class break out sessions it will never get voted on. My advice is to talk with the class reps or come to the meeting. It never hurts to listen to new ideas. But telling someone on this forum mostly goes no where with out someone voicing thought the right channels or a phone call.
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As for the channels who you talk too? Did you call the class rep? And if the both are that interested call me. But after 7 at night with harvest still going.
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For all of you that want BSTP to run 470 . We do have a meeting in Dec . I have been asking for the last few years someone to come state the case for 470. Haven't seen anyone or any calls for people interested, just that we should change just because. And are you going to run all the season pulls ? And support all year long?
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We use a 500 ranger , works well.
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The guys with the 3.4 470 pretty much in the WTPA in Wisconsin have been doing very well even over the 410 cooler with map ring. I don't think this would be any different , especially the guys running smooth bore 410 cooler even with extra 200. I would rather see a one size turbo rule at the same weight.
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$ we as pullers check on equipment after, before each pull. No matter what you do things happen when you start pushing , parts fail . I had a turbo go this year and was the first one in my 20 years of pulling .
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I don't think anyone saying this can't be done. That was then ,a lot of safety features have been add since the 80's. Why does this class always what to live in the past? Hp in them days were 800-900 for LLSS? And now pushing over 1500? To be realistic and to get to GN or PPL championship tour this back and forth weight issue is a mood point when the nigher up sets the weight. The
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No matter if you think how much money your budget is or what the weight should be . People will still spend the money to be competitive . That's the nature of competition.
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Why does it matter if local clubs have different weights? There's a lot light super clubs that have different weights , but the GN class and PPL championship tour is set at 6400 for light supers. So if the LLSS was a GN class wouldn't they have a set weight? And wouldn't these tractors still pull on a bigger stage?
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It's not the weight, it's the 3.4 turbo that's wearing them out. Happening in the Wtpa too.
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Really I don't think the 100 pounds is a deal breaker. I think there's other reasons. I know Badger State , Ecitpa and Wtpa it's not an weight issue, we have 16 members signed up for our class . Two of ours are running points in Iowa which is fine , and a few are not out yet because of parts, 2 broke early and since some don't like the turbo rule in the Wtpa. 5.60 diesel fuel
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With all the classes pulling last night it takes a little longer, which it is on the website now. Usually its up sooner depending on the wifi hotspot availability.
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If you add the cooler just remember your going to add about 100-125 in weight to the tractor . I don't know your clubs weight. The cooler will help alot on the end of the run .
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Stormy would your thoughts be the same in the LLSS class?
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I don't mind if poster doesn't give their names, that's their choice. I debated issues on here just because as class rep I like to get input whether we're right or wrong, because it helps
But when someone personally attacks you with out a name , I feel you crossed the line and what ever is said I lose respect real fast on any of your comments . Some day you probably will me
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I have to agree with you Dick. Being a certified tech official with PPL and Badger State. Some of these rules contradict themselves. Like OEM transmission , clutch and house connection stock location, but then a few lines down to our have auxiliary transmission may be used. What happened to stock location? So when you look 5 years down the road and someone yells that's not right , it's
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To Really, to compare updating to farming is just a little bit different . Now if you would have taking the route of health wise to sustain the the work load of the job would be different. I am going to be 55 , and am retiring the cow operation because the body could use new parts as to knees. That's an option available so that I can still maintain my walking. Just like the component option.
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Then you have a component with cast skin, so what's the difference? You already with pro-fab you moved transmission out of stock location? So why against components if this is going to be the norm? So then why aren't there rules in place ? A gray area someone is already using the component factor .
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To Really. I understand both sides of this argument about components. But what does the future look like? We our all ready seeing component parts inside of a reamed out cast housings, is that the right way to go? Will this way keep color with the small light rear ends? Do I want to see the sheet metal and engine combos Pro Stocks run , hell no . I know people don't like change , because they
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So your telling to take a 300 series IH engine to get to 470 ? Wouldn't it be cheaper to run a 466 IH motor for the 470 rule? So if no de- cubing ,then why use the 470 rule? If you want small engines.
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There's a lss in Illinois that allows component and cast together . They did have a weight difference as the components weighed less . So it can work if a club chooses that rule
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So you have 410 cubes , either you go 300 series and go up to. 414 your already over or plus or minus rule on wear. But you allow 470 with 400 series with better head flow. You have to have de-cube . Same with the Deere 404 with 466 having better head flow. The rules are working in the areas that have them , just some are a little different because of location.
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