My Realistic Solution to Hoods and Engine Blocks - 14 years ago
I agree... that's why I wrote "Fan confusion - Some fans know what’s going on, some don’t" I've consistently said that this won't affect ALL fans. It will turn off a great deal of brand loyal fans, and I believe there are many brand loyal fans out there. Hope that didn't come across as absolutes to anyone. I completely agree with your point on compromise as well. I'by Jake Morgan - Forum
Re: Thanks Jake I will get back to you on all - 14 years ago
I agree about the confusion thing, but this only makes it worse.by Jake Morgan - Forum
Here's my short list... - 14 years ago
Brand Loyalty What’s the topic that gets fans fired up the most? How did this sport start? It started by people saying that my brand of tractor is better than yours. Walk through the pits, look at the JD shirts, hats, logos… look at the IH shirts, hats, logos… IH has been defunct for almost 25 years, and fans are still brand loyal… loyal after 25 years! Loyal even after that company was manaby Jake Morgan - Forum
Re: Lock N Load Statement - 14 years ago
Availability has nothing to do with whether something is an OEM replacement. Your specific dealer’s inability to get the block has nothing to do with the block as an OEM replacement. The rules don’t stipulated that you have to buy it at your dealer… buy it directly from Hyper and cut out the middle man. When your 3150 Cat dies, you don’t have to buy your 3208 Cat at your Agco dealer… you canby Jake Morgan - Forum
Re: Can you make a list of the Pro's and Cons - 14 years ago
I'd agree, the one and only Pro I can think of is more color... but it's not real color, just a Pergo veneer. Mark, I'd love to hear your list of Pros and Consby Jake Morgan - Forum
Re: Question - Boxler SSD - 14 years ago
Again, this rule does not affect Boxler's. The word I've gotten was the rule was thought out so it WOULD NOT affect any current GN regulars... meaning it would not affect BOXLER'S.by Jake Morgan - Forum
Re: JUST MAKE EVERYONE RUN AN 8.3 CUMMINS AND THEN...... - 14 years ago
According to the NTPA's new rule they CAN mix and match in LSS and DSS now if they have a component chassis.by Jake Morgan - Forum
Re: Nice try! - 14 years ago
I knew it was around that year because I believe the New Generation was tested in the Nebraska tests in August of 1960. I thought there were 30 series Two Cylinders built in 1960, but I wasn't 100% sure. Bring on the JD 830 with a V-8 CAT in it... that won't confuse fans any!by Jake Morgan - Forum
Re: Lock N Load Statement - 14 years ago
The stronger the block the harder you can push it, the harder you can push it the more power you have.by Jake Morgan - Forum
Re: JUST MAKE EVERYONE RUN AN 8.3 CUMMINS AND THEN...... - 14 years ago
John Deere didn't use it in a tractor... It seems like a perfect motor for people to develop though, it does come in a number of tractors now days. I'm totally against a crate motor though... I don't want ot watch "the tractor of tomorrow" as some people put it. I want variety, but I want true variety.by Jake Morgan - Forum
Necessity is the mother of invention - 14 years ago
Necessity is the mother of invention - No one has really developed the 8.3 yet, because there was no need, they could drop in a DT466 and call it an MX285. Yes my option 1 would make people sweat, but it would force people to develop different engines in order to run different hoods. Of course this could only happen if the cubic inch rules were addressed as well. My option 1 is my perfect woby Jake Morgan - Forum
Re: Jake, Oliver = White = AGCO - 14 years ago
You might be right, and maybe only a few guys will take advantage of this rule, even so: My question to the NTPA is: if only one or two are going to do it, why change the rules? My other question is: is this addressing the root of the problem, or is this addressing a symptom? Here’s how I see this rule going… a new fan walks through the pits (after all pulling is one of the most accessibleby Jake Morgan - Forum
Re: Nice try! - 14 years ago
It wouldn’t be my first choice, but it would be a HUGE improvement over their new rule! Here are my preferences in order: 1. My first choice is to have the block match the sheetmetal (I know, I’m a purest). 2. My second choice is let every current tractor keep its current sheetmetal, any new tractors must match sheetmetal to engine block. 3. My fourth choice would be to have a list of blby Jake Morgan - Forum
Re: Nice try! - 14 years ago
Please re-read my post... I understand the lineage full well, infact, I agreed that Guza's were, and are, 100% legal according the the updated sheetmetal provision of the rule book. The new rule has nothing to do with running a DT466 in an MX285, that provision was already written into the rules for UPDATING SHEETMETAL. The old rule allowed you to update to newer sheetmetal, but not crby Jake Morgan - Forum
Re: Question - Boxler SSD - 14 years ago
Personally, I’m all for a 540 in DSS, regardless of the number of turbochargers or pressure stages. Big cubes have caused too many problems in too many classes. A 540 cubic inch limit is still big, but a little more reasonable.by Jake Morgan - Forum
Re: Jake, Oliver = White = AGCO - 14 years ago
Brian, The rules have always allowed for the updating of sheetmetal. A Herc with an AGCO hood is no different than a 426 with an AGCO hood. It’s been legal for years and isn’t what this new rule is about. (Personally I do think the rule allowing for updated sheetmetal is what started this whole thing, and in my perfect scenario I think the sport would have been better off if they made theby Jake Morgan - Forum
Re: Lock N Load Statement - 14 years ago
It’s doesn’t matter how they got the part number, the point is they got the part number and that makes the block a licensed OEM replacement. I don’t like the rule, but they did everything by the book, so it’s not a cheater block, and the NTPA made the decision so it’s 100% legal. My suggestion to anyone else would be to contact a small tractor company like Long, I’m sure with the right convinby Jake Morgan - Forum
Re: Question - Boxler SSD - 14 years ago
This rule doesn’t affect Boxler’s tractor, so I don’t see how they are being punished.by Jake Morgan - Forum
Re: Nice try! - 14 years ago
Nice try, but it’s not an Oliver. The Spirit of Oliver was a WHITE! It is/was a White 185 Field Boss painted Green. If you want to put White 185 sheetmetal on an 8.3 Cummins and paint it Green you would be 100% legal in any class. Just remember though, you are still going to have to register it as a White 185.by Jake Morgan - Forum
Re: Jake you are sadly mistaken. There was an Oliver produced that had the 8,3 Cummins in it - 14 years ago
Oliver or White? I just got an email reminding me about the White 185, but I'm not aware of an Oliver with and 8.3. I'm not saying your wrong, but what model of Oliver had the 8.3 in it?by Jake Morgan - Forum
Re: Question - Boxler SSD - 14 years ago
Last I knew the Special had three very large turbos on it. I'm not sure where their cubic inch are at, but I talked with Hans a few years back, and they had tried just about every combination you could think of with that motor. I'm not sure where they settled, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was in the 570 range, but that's just a guess in my part. No matter what their cuby Jake Morgan - Forum
Re: Question about the new ntpa engine sheetmetal rule - 14 years ago
2. Component chassis tractors will be allowed to run any agricultural tractor sheet metal (1960 or newer) with any legal block. Block does not have to be the same brand as sheet metal. (This applies to both Super Stock and Pro Stock tractor divisions) As per the wording, I would interpret this new rule to mean the only component chassis tractors can mix and match motors. OEM chassis (Ag rear-by Jake Morgan - Forum
Re: Block & Hood go together like Peanut Butter & Chocolate - 14 years ago
Very, very well said Robert. The limits are... and were the problem. The LSS has more variety than the Open Super because of the lower limits. This rule isn't needed where there are already reasonable limits in place (i.e. Light Super Stock).by Jake Morgan - Forum
Re: Block & Hood go together like Peanut Butter & Chocolate - 14 years ago
There's still the CAT! (actually two CAT blocks 3150 and 3208) A true Oliver guy could build a 3208 on alcohol or diesel depending on the class. Seems like my memory says that the 3208 can run pretty darn good on alcohol! As for running one on diesel, Kevin Taylor runs very solid with Bad Kitty in the Pro Stock class on a limited budget. There have been some pretty good running SF with tby Jake Morgan - Forum
Check your facts and read threads closely - 14 years ago
To: independent pulling news / Lefty (funny how you agree with each other and also have the same IP address) If I go into politics you better not be the guy doing the fact checking because you are 100% wrong on me deleting posts from this thread. I combined (merged) two topics relating to the same issue, “NTPA is wide open for 2010” and “BIG News from NTPA/WPI Board Meetings!!!” were both tby Jake Morgan - Forum
Block & Hood go together like Peanut Butter & Chocolate - 14 years ago
Actually it didn’t exist because you didn’t cross brands. That Ford truck motor was still made by Ford. I believe the crank swinging rule has been exploited by all brands, and it would be simple to make a list of interchangeable blocks and cranks for each brand. I believe I wrote continually how the 40 Series Detroit shouldn’t be allowed with a D-21 Rear-end. I still don’t think it shouby Jake Morgan - Forum
Re: Any motor any sheet metal makes sense! - 14 years ago
If it came in a Big Bud and they made over 150 tractors then I’ve got a feeling that even a bad lawyer could get your Komatsu on the track at an NTPA event.by Jake Morgan - Forum
I get it, but I sure don't agree with it! - 14 years ago
I would argue that a can of spray paint could bring color to a class, but would it truly be color and variety? If I had a dozen 1066’s and painted them different color is that variety? Not to me it’s not. If you put 4010 sheetmetal on one is that variety? I would argue no. Not really. Here’s my analogy: Let’s say we went to a bar… it’s all guys just hanging around… no variety there… youby Jake Morgan - Forum
Keyboard pullers... - 14 years ago
Always remember… the keyboard pullers that so many people like to belittle are FANS! One of the biggest problems with this motorsport is that fans DON’T have a voice. A large part of NASCAR’s success is because it’s about 99% fan based.by Jake Morgan - Forum
Re: Any motor any sheet metal makes sense! - 14 years ago
Mark, I’d have to build a time machine and call you about 4 years ago! Honestly, I'm in classes all day, but if you get a chance try calling me sometime after 7:00. I knew this was coming in some class(es), but I really, really, really dislike the idea of it in all component classes. In my personal opinion this should have been done as a trial balloon in the ULSS class. The Unlimiby Jake Morgan - Forum