Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm

Western Pa Light Tough Farm June 28, 2018 03:48AM

RCP

Registered: 01/23/2011
Posts: 253

In western Pa, a few of the clubs have started a Light Tough Farm class, with rules as follows;

1) 7000 and 8000 # classes.
2) Diesel 360 in3, rotary pump, 3LM466 turbo (5.9 Cummins 12 valve allowed), 3000 RPM Limit
3) 18.4 x 38 tire max, no cuts
4) Safety rules, wheely bars, blanket etc.

Are there clubs in the surrounding area that run similar rules?

Thanks
Rich

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/28/2018 11:39AM by RCP.

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	Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm June 28, 2018 06:54AM
patches Registered: 04/04/2008 Posts: 1,662	im in wpa,wheres this run at ??? Reply Quote

	Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm June 28, 2018 10:08AM
RCP Registered: 01/23/2011 Posts: 253	Northwest Pa truck and tractor pullers [www.nwpapullers.com] Western Pa truck and tractor pullers. [www.westernpapullers.com] There are some mistakes in the rules on the websites; Weight classes are 7K and 8K Hydraulics and PTO can be removed. Stock appearing sheet metal etc. Reply Quote

Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm June 28, 2018 01:08PM

Hummin Cummins

Registered: 06/10/2018
Posts: 154

I think NWPA is the only club running the Tough Farm. That is the original set of rules. I know who wrote them. I think they eventually voted to remove Hydraulics and PTO. But they were originally supposed to be present.

I think it’s NWPA only because they had some tractors that were built that didn’t really fit in Farm stock but couldn’t compete in a Hot Farm or Heavy, Big CI class. They are indeed running 7500 and 8500 at Butler. Again that was the original rule set but some places run 7000 and 8000 instead now.

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	Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm June 28, 2018 02:23PM
RCP Registered: 01/23/2011 Posts: 253	This year Western Pa adopted the WPTTP rules for light tough farm. Rich Reply Quote

	Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm June 28, 2018 02:31PM
Hummin Cummins Registered: 06/10/2018 Posts: 154	I saw that after I read your post. I like some of the changes that were made. How many tractors are running in the class now? Do you know? Reply Quote

	Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm June 28, 2018 02:45PM
RCP Registered: 01/23/2011 Posts: 253	This is my first year, I do not know how many will show, there are rumors of 10 to 12 tractors. Rich Reply Quote

	Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm June 28, 2018 02:50PM
Hummin Cummins Registered: 06/10/2018 Posts: 154	Let’s hope they have that many. That’d be fantastic. I definitely think that the class has some potential but you have to have the machines. Good luck this season! Reply Quote

	Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm June 28, 2018 10:26AM
Jeff Kennedy	Those classes are going to run at the Big Butler Fair this Saturday morning. Pretty nice purse, hope to see tractors and spectators. Reply Quote

	Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm June 28, 2018 11:40AM
RCP Registered: 01/23/2011 Posts: 253	Butler Fair is using 7500 and 8500 weight classes Reply Quote

	Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm July 02, 2018 08:36AM
RCP Registered: 01/23/2011 Posts: 253	Are there are any other clubs running similar rules? I am trying to find more places to pull. Thanks Rich Reply Quote

	Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm July 02, 2018 09:55AM
Doubt	I have looked around but everyone’s is just a little different. Up here we do things different Just look at our “hot farm” rules Reply Quote

	Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm July 03, 2018 04:17AM
RCP Registered: 01/23/2011 Posts: 253	Where is "up here"? Rich Reply Quote

	Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm July 03, 2018 05:46AM
RYAN68 Registered: 12/09/2008 Posts: 526	We run a class similar to that in Eastern Iowa, 7,700lbs though. Have about 10-12 tractors in it. Although a few are waiting on parts. I attached our rules for comparison. --- Reply Quote Attachments: open \| download - 2018 ECIPA 7,700LB 360 HOT STOCKS RULES.pdf (366.9 KB)

	Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm July 03, 2018 09:38AM
RCP Registered: 01/23/2011 Posts: 253	Thanks Reply Quote

Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm July 05, 2018 05:18AM

TheKid

Registered: 09/06/2017
Posts: 34

What tractors are all pulling in the class? Seems like it’s a D360 and anything you can stick a 12 valve in class. This sounds like it would be a really fun class and being in south west PA would build one. But this and along with others are unfair when it comes to fuel systems. If you have to run a OEM pump any one other then a red or Cummins will be automatically 3 steps backwards. Limits to Rosa/CAV for Deere Allis MF Oliver ect. and can’t get much over 400cc.

This is just my opinion and not telling anyone how to set up a class. If you want a good turn out and color for that class make it A pump and limit it with turbo and RPM not buy what fuel pump you have to run

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	Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm July 05, 2018 07:15AM
RCP Registered: 01/23/2011 Posts: 253	All tractors are required to run a rotary pump, UNLESS the tractor shipped from the factory with something else. The obvious engine choices are (IH) DT360, (Oliver, White, Massey) Perkins 354 and (almost any brand) Cummins 5.9, I am not fluent in JD or other brands to know what fits for them. Rich Reply Quote

	Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm July 05, 2018 08:28AM
TheKid Registered: 09/06/2017 Posts: 34	So I have a massy Perkins that has a CAV pump VS. a d360 and a 500 plus cc 13mm rotary is fair? Reply Quote

	Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm July 05, 2018 11:44AM
RCP Registered: 01/23/2011 Posts: 253	Tractor pulling is not fair, pick your combination and go pulling. This is not what we call to hot to farm, in this class cubes are limited to 360. Rich Reply Quote

	Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm July 05, 2018 02:31PM
TheKid Registered: 09/06/2017 Posts: 34	I’m simply saying the only 3 things that should ever be be a limitation is rpm turbo and tires and or maybe intercooler if applys. If one color has a inline “A-P what ever” pump then they all should be able to run a inline pump. Because right now you have a 3000rpm 360ci 7000lbs stock class. Call it light Too hot to farm Reply Quote

	Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm July 05, 2018 10:50AM
Jus sayin	They already have that class it’s called too hot to farm Reply Quote

	Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm July 05, 2018 01:01PM
Mr bean	I that would be a cool class that would make fun hp no matter what the color. 360, 3lm and A pump would be easy to police. That would allow all pullers to be competitive. Reply Quote

	Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm July 05, 2018 01:15PM
Y	Why an A pump how many do you see for sale on here........ just go p pump they are better they last longer and you can get a used one on here pretty reasonable! Reply Quote

	Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm July 05, 2018 01:52PM
gonh Registered: 01/20/2015 Posts: 61	We went 380 cube s362 p pump 3200 rpm 6500 lbs 18.4x 38 max Reply Quote

	Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm July 06, 2018 12:28AM
patches Registered: 04/04/2008 Posts: 1,662	a 336 case comes with an "a" pump,be a good combo in a 770 or 870 chassis,and easy to get to 360.... Reply Quote

	Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm July 06, 2018 09:33AM
RCP Registered: 01/23/2011 Posts: 253	There you go, adding a Case to the competition would be good. Rich Reply Quote

Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm November 05, 2023 10:07PM

RCP

Registered: 01/23/2011
Posts: 253

I resurrected this post because the class members recently voted for some major rule changes.

The requirement for rotary pumps was voted out, new rule states P7100 or smaller. The pump change was driven by lack of availability of good high volume rotary pumps, P7100 pumps are much easier to obtain and cheaper to maintain.

The turbo rules now require a Borg S200SX with no modifications. This change was to limit air flow and thus the horsepower of the tractors. Many of the tractors are already running this turbo, so there was minimal impact to the existing pullers.

Looking forward to the class in 2024.

Rich

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RCP
In western Pa, a few of the clubs have started a Light Tough Farm class, with rules as follows;

1) 7000 and 8000 # classes.
2) Diesel 360 in3, rotary pump, 3LM466 turbo (5.9 Cummins 12 valve allowed), 3000 RPM Limit
3) 18.4 x 38 tire max, no cuts
4) Safety rules, wheely bars, blanket etc.

Are there clubs in the surrounding area that run similar rules?

Thanks
Rich

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Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm November 06, 2023 02:52AM

localpuller

Registered: 03/31/2016
Posts: 112

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RCP
I resurrected this post because the class members recently voted for some major rule changes.

The requirement for rotary pumps was voted out, new rule states P7100 or smaller. The pump change was driven by lack of availability of good high volume rotary pumps, P7100 pumps are much easier to obtain and cheaper to maintain.

The turbo rules now require a Borg S200SX with no modifications. This change was to limit air flow and thus the horsepower of the tractors. Many of the tractors are already running this turbo, so there was minimal impact to the existing pullers.

Looking forward to the class in 2024.

Rich

In western Pa, a few of the clubs have started a Light Tough Farm class, with rules as follows;

1) 7000 and 8000 # classes.
2) Diesel 360 in3, rotary pump, 3LM466 turbo (5.9 Cummins 12 valve allowed), 3000 RPM Limit
3) 18.4 x 38 tire max, no cuts
4) Safety rules, wheely bars, blanket etc.

Are there clubs in the surrounding area that run similar rules?

Thanks
Rich

Hopefully cross bolts are required because a P7100 with any ammount of work will overspeed that turbo. Just looking from a safety aspect. Its a great turbo, but with a lot of fuel theyll snap the shaft

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Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm November 06, 2023 03:58AM

Just sayin

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localpuller

I resurrected this post because the class members recently voted for some major rule changes.

The requirement for rotary pumps was voted out, new rule states P7100 or smaller. The pump change was driven by lack of availability of good high volume rotary pumps, P7100 pumps are much easier to obtain and cheaper to maintain.

The turbo rules now require a Borg S200SX with no modifications. This change was to limit air flow and thus the horsepower of the tractors. Many of the tractors are already running this turbo, so there was minimal impact to the existing pullers.

Looking forward to the class in 2024.

Rich

In western Pa, a few of the clubs have started a Light Tough Farm class, with rules as follows;

1) 7000 and 8000 # classes.
2) Diesel 360 in3, rotary pump, 3LM466 turbo (5.9 Cummins 12 valve allowed), 3000 RPM Limit
3) 18.4 x 38 tire max, no cuts
4) Safety rules, wheely bars, blanket etc.

Are there clubs in the surrounding area that run similar rules?

Thanks
Rich

Hopefully cross bolts are required because a P7100 with any ammount of work will overspeed that turbo. Just looking from a safety aspect. Its a great turbo, but with a lot of fuel theyll snap the shaft

That charger won't take won't take any more fuel and run run right than with what a good M100 would do.
Sounds like the group is working towards a dissolved class down the road. Now it's the pump, next will be the turbo then the cubes, then this and that because some will get the need for speed and want to change this and that until it's out of control, I stead of just jumping up a class that has higher performance already established. Good luck!

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	Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm November 06, 2023 07:12AM
RCP Registered: 01/23/2011 Posts: 253	The rules are voted on by the members who pull in the class, so they will decide where the class goes. I for one, would vote against other enhancements.. Reply Quote

	Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm November 06, 2023 07:10AM
RCP Registered: 01/23/2011 Posts: 253	Cross bolts are required on engines equipped with turbochargers. Reply Quote

	Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm December 07, 2023 03:56PM
Pull fan	How fast do these tough farm tractor pull? What kind of gear are they running Reply Quote

	Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm December 07, 2023 11:42PM
RCP Registered: 01/23/2011 Posts: 253	They run about 15 mph, not sure on gears Reply Quote

	Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm December 08, 2023 05:53AM
Pull fan	That's moving along!! I bet they are fun to watch. Are there any YouTube videos of them? Reply Quote

	Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm December 08, 2023 07:06AM
RCP Registered: 01/23/2011 Posts: 253	We enjoy it, I do not know of any YouTube channels and my video files are too large to attach in this forum. Reply Quote

	Re: Western Pa Light Tough Farm December 14, 2023 08:34AM
Chase	Light Tough Farm Videos Video #2 Reply Quote

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