Fun question to stew on... October 10, 2020 05:46AM
A week or two ago I posed the following question on The HOOK's Facebook group page and it figured it would get some good response here also:

What tractor make/model has the most surviving units as a puller, versus a show/parade tractor or an everyday tractor?

My initial answer was the Oliver 77 but, because of a couple of regular readers of this forum (one of them being a moderator, you know who you are, wink wink) I think that answer is completely wrong.

What tractor do you think it is?

No wrong answers, just defend your choice!



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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/10/2020 05:48AM by Bryan Lively.

Re: Fun question to stew on... October 10, 2020 06:32AM
I'd say an F-30 but I know better.... I'll pick 2 both IH M-450 and 66 series.

Re: Fun question to stew on... October 10, 2020 07:31AM
I’m a Deere guy but I would say 460, Massey 44, a MM of some sort or a M. My official answer is going to be a 460



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Re: Fun question to stew on... October 10, 2020 11:34AM
Got to be the 6030 John Deere.

Re: Fun question to stew on... October 10, 2020 11:53AM
Has to be a 6030, there’s more 6030 badged pulling vehicles than ever farmed. The thing about an M or 1066 is they actually made a bunch of them compared to 6030’s or any Minnie Mo

Re: Fun question to stew on... October 10, 2020 12:41PM
Good answers, but theres a tractor out there Ive never seen as anything but a puller



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Re: Fun question to stew on... October 10, 2020 01:30PM
Cockshut?

Re: Fun question to stew on... October 11, 2020 12:12AM
On a per capita basis, it does put a Friday way out there...

Re: Fun question to stew on... October 11, 2020 02:47AM
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On a per capita basis, it does put a Friday way out there...
The one I should have thought of I didn't think about. Good insight as always CP



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Re: Fun question to stew on... October 11, 2020 05:43AM
Boooooo!!! Fake news j/k that’s interesting

Re: Fun question to stew on... October 11, 2020 12:58AM
a dozen puller's, and 1 original.

Re: Fun question to stew on... October 10, 2020 02:03PM
Deutz!!!

Re: Fun question to stew on... October 10, 2020 02:10PM
IM WITH DIRT FARMER but it could be a 6030 since they were junk with lots of probs from the factory



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Re: Fun question to stew on... October 11, 2020 01:21AM
Massey Harris , " don't ya see " !!!!

Re: Fun question to stew on... October 11, 2020 02:54AM
My vote for highest percentage of pullers vs total production would be the Cockshutt 570 especially if you count all the ones where the rear ends ended up under some form of mod. Total production of the 570 was around 3100 units and the 570 Super only added another 1680.

Re: Fun question to stew on... October 11, 2020 03:11AM
I believe MH49 has the right answer. The model 40 and 50 Cockshutts have a strong argument as well, but the 570 is much harder to find as a farm or show tractor than it is as a pulling tractor.



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Re: Fun question to stew on... October 11, 2020 05:58AM
Montgomery Wards tractors

Re: Fun question to stew on... October 11, 2020 08:35AM
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Montgomery Wards tractors
Thats an interesting mention also. Credit to Patches for this 10 year old comment on this family of tractors:

"wards,lowther,custom,jumbo,rockol,and jumbo,were the manufactures names for these tractors.they all are built on a dodge drive train,and all have the same sheetmetal.another name was ,lehr.i have some info on them.they were produced with inline 4,6,and 8 cyl engines.the frames were a cast frame or made out of 4 in channel,the channel frame models are very light,as in less than 3500 lbs,and could be classified as a componet chassis.these tractors are also very,very fast.a friend of mine has a few of these and i have followed him in a car at over 60 mph.also some of these were a fluid drive,i have not seen one ,but assume it is a hydrostatic.the motors were all flathead designed.there is a website and a collectors club for these ,i cant think of the site but it shouldv be easy to find."



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Re: Fun question to stew on... October 11, 2020 01:21PM
The fluid drive is similar to a torque converter. The tractors were still 5 speeds with a clutch. The fluid drive allows you to take off from a stop without stalling the motor in any gear. Very useful on a pulling track. My father and Grandpa pulled on in the 80's and early 90's

Re: Fun question to stew on... October 12, 2020 05:25AM
There is a guy here in Missouri that used to pull 2 Simpson Jumbos. I think he pretty much retired them from pulling because one of the U joints kept breaking and parts were starting to get pretty hard to come by. I'm pretty sure he started at 3250 with them.

Re: Fun question to stew on... October 11, 2020 07:43AM
Thinking about it I have to agree. I have seen numerous 570s, but never one as a show tractor or working machine.

Re: Fun question to stew on... October 11, 2020 09:15AM
Ive owned 4 570s and made pullers out of every one of them along with a 40

Re: Fun question to stew on... October 11, 2020 12:23PM
Lewis i own 4 570's right now 2 pullers and 2 just sitting in garage

Re: Fun question to stew on... October 11, 2020 02:26PM
When I was growing up, a farmer in our area main tractor was a CS 570 diesel, that he liked and accomplished a lot of work with.

When I read Bryan's question last night, and re-read to make certain I understood what he was asking, my answer to myself was a Wards. I did not post as the harvest week was long, it was late and I needed sleep worse than answering the thought provoking question and telling you the following story.

However, I thought of the Ward's tractor I photographed this summer at the Tipton, IN Heritage Iron Antique and Muscle tractor pull, as this particular Wards, assuming it is the original faded paint, certainly captured the 'award' for the night's 'high flyer' with probably at least a 30 degree tractor angle to the track. First photo of the 3 sequential photos, shows no wheelie bars. No model number of the tractor is seen. It has 2 straight vertical exhaust pipes from a stock appearing exhaust manifold. I can easily see 4 spark plugs. But assume there has to be at least 6. Possibly 8.

Likely after harvest, (we have a long ways to go yet), I will get all 14 - 2020 pulls posted to my website.

Re: Fun question to stew on... October 12, 2020 09:19AM
Are you ready to retire yet and get them back out Those 2 570s back out



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Re: Fun question to stew on... October 11, 2020 02:07PM
D-21 Allis-Chalmers

Re: Fun question to stew on... October 12, 2020 01:17AM
Screamin D!!!

Re: Fun question to stew on... October 12, 2020 12:18PM
Thinking about it Lewis maybe next summer once I finish this job in Kansas

Re: Fun question to stew on... October 12, 2020 01:48PM
When you get the alcohol tractor back out you can say it was the 3rd tractor to hook to the sled when the llss class was started a original The Rooster Cruiser

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