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I see the Legends group has this on their schedule. Most of the tractors are in Ohio, but I was wondering if in addition to the Ohio tractors, any Illinois or other midwest vehicles may run? Is this invitational, or could any vehicle meeting the legends criteria hook at this event?
If the Bosse tractor and tank tractors can run with Doug Bend and Larry McVey, that would be neat to see. Anyone
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as copied/pasted from PPL website
Modifieds
4 Aces Dave Walsh Mauston, WI Pratt Whitney JFTD12 Turbines
Dirtslinger Bill & Jed Leischner Weldon, IL Brad Anderson Engines
Dirtslinger Too Shannon Leischner & Murl Kimmel Weldon, IL BAE/Veney
Irish Challenger 2.0 Dan & Dave Walsh Mauston, WI Miner Brothers Racing Hemi's
Meristem Crop Performance Dave Walsh Mauston, WI GE-T64 Turbines
Mr
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The Bosse Bros. and their crossbox invention changed the game for the mod class more than any other single innovation. The Allison Team and Ralph Chamberlain, followed a few years later by Art Arfons, opened a new horizon of powerplant to the sport.
In the SS class, I'd put Ron Perry and Dave Stangle in this same tier. The Conner Bros and Brent Long may never have done what they did were
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How many hooks does your class need to have before you feel like it's worth it to join an association or member state?
I understand a small local association that charges $40 to join may be a different calculation than several hundred $ like NTPA for example.
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What do you think? I will say the "magic bullet" theory that the Warren Commission came up with is laughable.
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Pre-Covid, the European pullers would alternate between inviting a mod and super stock for the European Super Pull.
I'm not sure if US pullers will ever get invited to Europe again, but if I could pick a Super Stock to cross the pond, I'd choose Ross's Triple Bypass. It would be cool to see him run against the top European tractors.
As far as mods, cannot remember who has alre
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This isn't one that changed hands but a new build.
The Pullers Championship webpage shows a pic of a new tractor for Dylan Owens. He'll run 4 at this event, but the photo looks like it would hold 5 if we could see a right front engine. Is one or both Owens tractors planning to run unlimited this year?
Also NY related, Mark Cole ran his tractor as a twin at a few late season State
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FPP manages to keep things fairly competitive in their Run What You Brung class. If they could do it, surely OSTPA could.
FPP not only has blown and SSD trucks, but n/a fwd modified trucks including mountain motor, PSD trucks, limited diesel and even had a nitrous truck at one time. I am not sure of weight breaks, hitch heights, or if they adjust these, but there are all kinds of videos.
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I noticed the SSD FWD trucks are sanctioned in their own class this year after running with the SMFWD class.
Out of curiosity, how many regulars does OSTPA anticipate? Are the diesels still allowedto hook the SMFWD class, or were they booted out? Having blown and smoke together made for an interesting class. Was it that the 7500lb trucks were gaining too much on the blown trucks?
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QuoteOH1979er
WPI sets the purses. If you look at the 1985 Tomah poster that 110,000 was paid out to 16 classes over 5 sessions. In 2023 there will be 28 classes over 5 sessions. .... The issue wasn’t created over night and won’t go away over night. One of the biggest problems between now and then is there are just too many classes.
NTPA Hot Shots announcement
To your point OH1979er,
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QuoteStacy
One only has to look at events like Rock Springs Wyoming and Ottertail Minnesota as a couple of examples of Grand National events that did not last long on the circuit.
This premise of Dick's question is based on being midwest-centric.
For Eder, Biers, Mark Cole, even Benedict and Criswell, going to Langford would be a lot closer than going to Rockwell.
Obviously, Bauer, K
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When NTPA has the meetings during Enderle weekend, and proposals are taken to the board, is it the NTPA Board who approves, or the WPI Board?
Also, when a Tech update is posted on NTPA's Tech Page, is that an executive decision of the Tech Director, a directive from the NTPA Board, or from the WPI Board?
(There is also theory vs practice, meaning how is this supposed to work in theory, a
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QuoteFan 2
sf outperforms nothing in any era! The fact you have to go back 50 years to compare a class shows what a joke it is!
I bet a super farm would outpull a 466 hot farm. No disrespect, but 174 ci difference is a lot to overcome.
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QuoteJ BeGone
The old guys say the hot farm 466 class make more power then there old SS
A puller who would know much more about diesel tractors (and dump truck motors) that I ever will once said on Fonda's board a few years ago even a SS from the mid'70s on made more power than a modern SF. I'd think a 640 ci SF would make more power than a 466 hot farm. I'm siding with the
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QuoteJerkmychain
Well with the new Bud light announcement I don’t see INBEV investing anything into the sport . Not sure rural America is the market they are looking for anymore. Anyways, that was a sweet sled . If you saw it in person you will never forget it.
On the other hand, Dylan Mulvaney would be a natural spokesperson for the pro stock class.
"I was assigned red from the factory but a
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If I could wave a magic wand and make one permanent rule change for single charger classes, it would be any tractor could run the fuel that it ran from the factory. This would be from hot farm up through pro stock.
I'm not sure when the diesel only rule came into being, but am under the impression Cespedes has a grandfather clause if he runs NTPA.
Related to the topic, Don Nolan's M
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In Indiana, HSTPA ran what they called a "stock" class in the mid 1970s that was a forerunner of pro stock. The class ran at maybe 9000 lbs, single charger, definitely much more than stock.
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How much moveable weight do most Pro Stocks have now? With component chassis, if there is at least 500 or 1,000 lbs of ballast, what would be the ramification of dropping the weight to 9,500 or even 9,000 lbs?
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Saw this on the Tech page. Not sure when it was updated, but hadn't seen it posted here.
Are these rules any different than other orgs around the midwest and south (Mid South, KTPA, BoB, etc)?
Light Limited Super Stock subsections 1. Engine o) & p) & 2. Turbocharger Restrictions
o) Maximum of 470 cid. for single turbocharged diesel engines.
3.This engine combination can run a maxim
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QuoteABOBB
In order to differentiate Pro Stocks from the other iterations (light pro/limited pro/ even the 5.0 Regional pro), should the Pro Stocks be allowed to run 30.5 tires?
That would add a visible difference from the other forms of Pro Stock. They certainly have the power to effectively use the 30.5s.
At that point, what, other than a single exhaust would distinguish a PS from a SS?
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QuoteJust Sayin’
To me it just seems like organizations are just putting their foot on the neck of people innovating, investing their time and money and them being told - well, too bad.
Seems like this sport, as with any other Motorsport, you innovate to gain that competitive advantage. When did become such a problem? I refer back to the “woke” comments listed above.
And to those who
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Logan, I've heard the setting for a twd is about the same as for a 3-engine mod because of hitch height.
How does the sled setting differ between a twd/RN mod and a pro stock?
Would 30.5s on a pro stock mean only one extra block on the sled?
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In order to differentiate Pro Stocks from the other iterations (light pro/limited pro/ even the 5.0 Regional pro), should the Pro Stocks be allowed to run 30.5 tires?
That would add a visible difference from the other forms of Pro Stock. They certainly have the power to effectively use the 30.5s.
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I'm not talking about Cain @ nearly same weight or East Coast where it's 9500 vs 10000 but not GN caliber Supers.
What I'm asking is a PS like Schmucker, Simon, or Conny @ 10000 lbs against Blackbourn, GALOT, Ross, Bone Twister etc. at 8000 lbs.
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I was going to title this Pro Stocks vs Unlimited Super Stocks, but since there is enough data that diesel or alcohol are basically equal, we'll include both.
A few years ago, Badger State let some of the alky SS pull in their class like Hulls. I think the uss ran at their normal 8000lb weight.
Since then, allowing for tech and tire advances, can a 10000 PS and 8000 SS run together and
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For people around in the 1970s, do you remember the cartoon psa's like Conjunction Junction and Interplanet Janet? They had one about how a bill becomes a law.
I wish there was something like that for NTPA.I thought proposals went up through divisional committees, or were discussed and voted on during the meeting Enderle weekend (subject to Executive Board approval).
It seems like lots
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1. GN Light Modified division weight limit is now 6200 lbs. for 2023 season.
2. Super Farm, Light Pro Stock, and Limited Pro Stock divisions cannot enter the new RN Heavy Pro Stock 5.0 class. Entering of stated vehicles in divisions other than RN Heavy Pro Stock 5.0 as permitted by 2023 NTPA Pulling rules is still allowed.
3. The WPI Executive Board moved to limit Mini division at all leve
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Point A is where the class started.
Point B is where the class is now.
My ?- What rules should have been added/changed/deleted over the years that would have kept the class closer to Point A.
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The Stanford tractor pulling club had an incident last week that embarrassed the university.
A national tech official was invited by the John Deere Society campus chapter to give a lecture about turbos and the new Nichols twd tires. A bunch of mask-wearing students interrupted him and wouldn't shut up so he could speak. Then the DEI official sided with the students.
It seems the tech o
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What about having a claim rule for turbo, pump, or other parts at agreed on $ amounts as voted by the association or majority of pullers in the class?
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