In Indiana, HSTPA ran what they called a "stock" class in the mid 1970s that was a forerunner of pro stock. The class ran at maybe 9000 lbs, single charger, definitely much more than stock.
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How much moveable weight do most Pro Stocks have now? With component chassis, if there is at least 500 or 1,000 lbs of ballast, what would be the ramification of dropping the weight to 9,500 or even 9,000 lbs?
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Saw this on the Tech page. Not sure when it was updated, but hadn't seen it posted here.
Are these rules any different than other orgs around the midwest and south (Mid South, KTPA, BoB, etc)?
Light Limited Super Stock subsections 1. Engine o) & p) & 2. Turbocharger Restrictions
o) Maximum of 470 cid. for single turbocharged diesel engines.
3.This engine combination can run a maxim
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QuoteABOBB
In order to differentiate Pro Stocks from the other iterations (light pro/limited pro/ even the 5.0 Regional pro), should the Pro Stocks be allowed to run 30.5 tires?
That would add a visible difference from the other forms of Pro Stock. They certainly have the power to effectively use the 30.5s.
At that point, what, other than a single exhaust would distinguish a PS from a SS?
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QuoteJust Sayin’
To me it just seems like organizations are just putting their foot on the neck of people innovating, investing their time and money and them being told - well, too bad.
Seems like this sport, as with any other Motorsport, you innovate to gain that competitive advantage. When did become such a problem? I refer back to the “woke” comments listed above.
And to those who
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Logan, I've heard the setting for a twd is about the same as for a 3-engine mod because of hitch height.
How does the sled setting differ between a twd/RN mod and a pro stock?
Would 30.5s on a pro stock mean only one extra block on the sled?
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In order to differentiate Pro Stocks from the other iterations (light pro/limited pro/ even the 5.0 Regional pro), should the Pro Stocks be allowed to run 30.5 tires?
That would add a visible difference from the other forms of Pro Stock. They certainly have the power to effectively use the 30.5s.
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I'm not talking about Cain @ nearly same weight or East Coast where it's 9500 vs 10000 but not GN caliber Supers.
What I'm asking is a PS like Schmucker, Simon, or Conny @ 10000 lbs against Blackbourn, GALOT, Ross, Bone Twister etc. at 8000 lbs.
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I was going to title this Pro Stocks vs Unlimited Super Stocks, but since there is enough data that diesel or alcohol are basically equal, we'll include both.
A few years ago, Badger State let some of the alky SS pull in their class like Hulls. I think the uss ran at their normal 8000lb weight.
Since then, allowing for tech and tire advances, can a 10000 PS and 8000 SS run together and
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For people around in the 1970s, do you remember the cartoon psa's like Conjunction Junction and Interplanet Janet? They had one about how a bill becomes a law.
I wish there was something like that for NTPA.I thought proposals went up through divisional committees, or were discussed and voted on during the meeting Enderle weekend (subject to Executive Board approval).
It seems like lots
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1. GN Light Modified division weight limit is now 6200 lbs. for 2023 season.
2. Super Farm, Light Pro Stock, and Limited Pro Stock divisions cannot enter the new RN Heavy Pro Stock 5.0 class. Entering of stated vehicles in divisions other than RN Heavy Pro Stock 5.0 as permitted by 2023 NTPA Pulling rules is still allowed.
3. The WPI Executive Board moved to limit Mini division at all leve
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Point A is where the class started.
Point B is where the class is now.
My ?- What rules should have been added/changed/deleted over the years that would have kept the class closer to Point A.
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The Stanford tractor pulling club had an incident last week that embarrassed the university.
A national tech official was invited by the John Deere Society campus chapter to give a lecture about turbos and the new Nichols twd tires. A bunch of mask-wearing students interrupted him and wouldn't shut up so he could speak. Then the DEI official sided with the students.
It seems the tech o
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What about having a claim rule for turbo, pump, or other parts at agreed on $ amounts as voted by the association or majority of pullers in the class?
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On the track, what is the difference between the sled setting for an NTPA/PPL 510 ci Hot Farm and a Badger State/WTPA 466 Hot Farm?
Is it one block? One gear? Is it close enough that 100 or 150 lbs more to the 466 would basically equalize things?
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Do Hildebrand and Auen still have their JD supers? I cannot remember why they weren't/aren't legal for NTPA DSS. Those two always ran tough in the Smoker Series classes.
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QuoteJason Schultz
Link to video
First 20 minutes Gregg Randall-NTPA
2nd 20 minutes Ron Stone-Outlaws
3rd 20 minutes John Mears-PPL
Informative, engaging, optimistic. This was an hour of pulling media at it's best. Perhaps the best episode BMPT has aired.
Great job putting that together.
Well done!
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Hello Chris.
Quotechris h
Do you have a podcast or take videos and post them?
No. Do you?
Quotechris h
You start a lot of threads on pulloff!
This is a message board whose purpose is to discuss issues related to truck and tractor pulling, is it not?
Quotechris h
What exactly do you bring to the table other wise? I am not being a smart ass or starting any @#$%&!
I must have missed the pul
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I watched the Beer Money podcast about the legalized betting announcement several days lafter it aired. There were several champion-level pullers plus the regular hosts of the podcast.
One 40,000 foot takeaway was how not one of them could find anything at all that wasn't a glowing endorsement of fullpullbets, with one puller actually saying something to the effect of if you don't li
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Is sponsorship treated as income?
What about when the puller owns the sponsor? For example, Jim owns Jim's Farm. He sponsors his tractor with Jim's Farms painted on both tractor and hauler. How does this situation work?
One general question - Are there any common tax mistakes newer pullers tend to make that costs them tax $, and could be avoided by setting up their pulling operati
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QuoteDirtfarmer
Might it be that the tire manufacturer is a major sponsor for NHRA and Nascar?
To your point, in the 1990s Hoosier was allowed in Nascar for a brief period. It didn't end well and they were out of the sport quickly.
Hoosier is the primary supplier for the most big dirt late model series. The problems the racers have with cost and supply is much worse than what pulling is
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QuoteFan 2
Every class is a horsepower chase! I have never heard any puller say "I'm trying to make less horsepower this year". Some try to make the OTHER guy make less by limiting them or ruling them out. Guess they want to dummy the show down to their budget.
You're also forgetting it's a competition for the pullers as well as a show for the fans. They try to get better each
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QuoteS'no Farmer
To kind of elaborate on your last statement, Gregg Randall has pushed hard to have three mod classes because he has promoters that want a mod class and either don't want the expense of the top two mod classes or their dates won't allow it because they are already scheduled somewhere else. I think that is the only reason that the Lt Unlimited lasted as long as it
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I freely admit my favorite class is the NTPA Unlimited modified class. However, it's super expensive, several pullers in the class are getting older, and sleds seem pretty tapped out at the moment. PPL has lost Boyds, Sheltons, and Longs so their mod class is down also. The NTPA 7500 4-engine has better numbers (the 3 hemi 14-71 combo is pretty good there).
I will enjoy the unlimiteds whi
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QuotePPL
Are they having a pull again at the truck show in Louisville again this year? See considered armed and dangerous say in a Facebook post see everyone at the truck show pull on April 1st but I’ve never seen or heard anything about it
Look at the NTPA website
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QuoteTeam one
All of the advocates of a combination superstock class are awfully quiet again this year….. what are your excuses this time?
Could you elaborate on what you mean by "excuses"? You see, if you search the history of this board when this topic comes up, the "excuses" if you want to call them that are largely given by the separate-the-classes crowd.
Off topic, what were the distanc
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QuoteTeam one
All of the advocates of a combination superstock class are awfully quiet again this year….. what are your excuses this time? It’s still looking like a bad idea at this point!
We're old enough to remember one year ago when diesels sweptall 6 finals spots, and Ross won several PPL hooks last year
Please put down the bottle and sleep it off.
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If one goes to the fullpullbets.com website, the contact link just has info@fullpullbets.com. There is no place on the website that actually lists the owners or officials of fullpullbets. So, I am asking here: Please list the names of all owners of this website/app.
Also, to get NTPA, PPL, and
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Griffons never really caught on in the states, but have had a strong run in Europe. Allisons = 1710 ci, griffons larger but I cannot remember how large (2400 ci, maybe?).
What were the advantages and disadvantages of each motor? Just curious why some European pullers went with griffons and others decided to run allisons.
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Wasn't there a SS puller named Doug Ham that had an incident that helped lead to a rule change?
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