I'm sure it could be done on $7000, but keep in mind most people put more than that in the engine alone!
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I have seen a bone stock 706 gas with factory 3-pt delete, had the dual pto and clamshell fenders and 15.5's on cast wheels, and he pulled 7500 pounds. 7000 shouldn't be too hard at all. 6500 should be possible. I have seen one that weighed 5500 bare- that took a LOT of work!
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466 will bolt up to most any IH with the correct adapter plate. Keep in mind that a 460, 656-686 will all use the smaller clutch than say an M, 560, and 706 on up. Using the smaller tractor will require a real fancy clutch to make it hold, even if you are running under 3000 rpm.
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What vintage? I got an engine from a salvage yard a year ago, and it was $1500 for a rotary pump, 2500 for an inline, and more yet for anything 93 or newer.
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Yeah, NOS would help. BUT.... NOS is illegal where I would pull, water/meth injection is not.
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I'm curious about water/methanol injection in a big block V-8. I watched HorsePower on Spike, and they showed how it could give high octane performance on pump gas. But that engine was specifically built for high octane. I'm not exactly sure on the compression ratio on my engine. The previous owner ran 110 with an octane booster, but also said it runs fine on pump gas. I have been
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At 10 mph does the pump size matter much? I would think tire size and speed limit would make a pretty level playing field. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Also, RPM moniter ports are great if you have a group that always pulls, but if you want a tractor fresh off the spreader or feed mill, they are not gonna come play if they need one. How effective is checking RPM by another means
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The TA on a 560 is fully mechanical, no hydraulic fluid required. You really only need enough to splash lube the gears in the trans/rear end
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I have seen the Terminator sled pull the big boys at 20+ mph, and still have a good show with tractors weighing 5500 pounds with less than 100 hp. Perhaps that sled is set up to be more adjustable, but my guess is that it comes down to the operator- skills, experience, and the desire to take the effort to do it right.
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What about just offset grinding? Is that something any place that grinds cranks can do? Or would it need to be done by someone with special tools/knowledge?
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My opinion is that it is worth more as a replacement in a 460, 560, 656, etc. than as a puller engine. How much it's worth is directly dependant on how bad someone wants it. I would say $1000, give or take depending on how good, and how quick you want to move it.
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766's used a 291, not the 301. If it is good, it could be sold to anyone looking for an engine for a 460 on up to a 686, and a number of tractors in between. If it is not good, the block, head or crank could still be sold (if good).
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I'm sure most of us started out this way- I'm gonna build a pulling tractor that will kick butt on the track, but still be usable on the farm. Whether to convince a wife, or to convince ourselves that this is not just a toy, but a useful machine. So has anyone actually achieved it? I tried with a 460 with 301, but by the third year it would take a couple hours to put it back to farmi
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The factory nose is sheet metal; doubt you would gain much weight savings by going fiberglass.
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So has anyone tried to hot rod one yet? I gotta wonder if it has the capabilities of the Duramax....
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my brother has a 300 that needs attention, and I was wondering what was possible for getting more power? Just for kicks what is the extreme high end? And what is practical without breaking the bank. Could a guy get a reliable 50+ horse engine for not much money? Thanks!
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Depending on your tractor some use the hydraulic cylinder off the combine as well. This requires either working hydraulics of some form on the tractor or a stand alone electric pump.
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you could use a running gear, or a combine axle. I'm told an IH 715 is pretty popular, but I think a JD 4400 axle would be a little nicer, unless you are running real heavy. I actually have a couple JD's, and a 715 axle from my combine derbies, if you happen to be near SW WI.
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IH built I think a 306 for the trucks, that was basically the same as those engines. I know of one that was running 300 hp to the wheels in stock cubic inches. Keep in mind some guys use truck engines in tractors to get more power, so using a tractor engine in a truck is going backwards, IMHO. I would look into putting a turbo on it if you are wanting more power cheap. Keystone makes a kit fo
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They had a good pull Sat. night. For a small town in the middle of nowhere (no offense intended) they had good numbers and were well organized. Thanks for a good pull!
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I've never been there before. Is it obvious where to go once at Retreat? Sounds like the wife is gonna let me bring the binder pickup to pull, as a birthday present At what weight do the stock pickups pull?
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Well I need them to keep asking a lot then! I got cows to milk, so won't be available til after 7:30 or so. Based on previous years, is that gonna work?
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You have stock gas trucks listed as Saturday night. What defines stock? And do you have an estimated time for them to pull?
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I see Iron Anchors has one pull left in Warren on the 25th. Anyone been to it in the past? How big is it? Do they run through it in good time or make it an all day thing like Boscobel? Thinking of taking my truck down but can't blow the whole day- got cows to milk! lol
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iron anchors has it listed as the 17th, starting at 1pm with antiques and small blocks, 6pm with the rest. Assuming the website is still correct.
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could someone put up a class listing or at least a contact person/number?
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What weight may be the biggest factor in what you get. If you want to run under 6000 pounds, the 560 is your best bet. Get to 7000+ and they won't live long with a DT466 that runs strong. A 706 will easily make 7500, and get lighter with some more work, and can be made strong enough to run with virtually anything out there up to 10,000, maybe more. If you are typically hooking 12,000 or
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P-pump cummins can be had pretty reasonable, but adapter kits can be pricey. You need to be sure you can run the p-pump in your class, as well. Both engines have extensive R+D already done by others, and will make competetive runners. It is often said, though, there is no replacement for displacement....
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The cheapest tractor you can build is to stick a DT-360 truck engine in a 560. You would need to find pulls with a light turbo class, though, preferably with a 360 cube and 3000 rpm limit. If you are looking to pull in a 466 type class, start with a 706. I have one I have been advertising here for about a year. Everyone who has wanted it was just too far away from SW WI. No ta, no 3-pt. Jus
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Start with Pertronix ignition, 40k volt coil, and wider plug gaps. Get your rpm up as high as rules allow- those engines like to rev. If you need to, put a heavier spring on the governor, or just run a piece of wire to hold it tight. Beyond that, bigger cubes and better flowing head can get you some big hp- it just takes money!
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