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20 hooks? You can't read the website then.
Grind away. We are just fine and that pains some people.
Weird way to go through life. Best of luck to everyone this weekend.
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Don't let facts get in the way of your story. I know all the facts available. The rest is just noise from people with an axe to grind.
Ravenna dropped two classes and they had a great show.
Outlaws are just fine and just getting started. Memberships are really good. Great sponsors, great promoters, great pullers, and great payouts. Not going anywhere. Stop by and
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Really?
What rules have been thrown out?
And all the sponsors today were there with Robert's.
Not sure I understand the 2 yrs comment. Doug was in yet first part of 2017.
Hyperbole can be fun.
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Tomah paid NTPA the fee required to have those classes.
NTPA collects the 1% and I would assume goes to the points fund and then paid back.
If a class in a session has a 5000 purse, Tomah paid for it in full and it will be paid to the pullers in full.
If a pull loses money this is the same scenario. Pullers are not subject to that pulls profits or losses.
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Most the time we hooked in Tomah, we were per hook tractor.
It was either $90 or $100 one time fee and 1% purse (even members pay the 1% purse or entry fee)
So for a $5000 purse the one time out of pocket cost should be $150 max per session. This is very common anywhere you go for this caliber of pull. We got passes with this as well.
NTPA could have changed their policy in t
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I am not advocating one way or another, just asking some questions for discussion.
Does this class need to keep gaining HP to help pulling grow?
Does pulling need another 3000+ hp class?
Just thought I would ask as it has been discussed below about vehicle turn outs and pulling future with numbers.
If we allow components in this class and hp gets to 3500+, will a new 2000 hp c
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Light pro stock is 540 cubes any turbo 16 mm p pump 8500 lbs
Limited pro stock is 640 cubes 4.1 turbo 16 mm p pump 9500 lbs
Both cast rear ends only.
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He has a full schedule with Outlaws this summer. He has done NFMS the last few years as well.
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Not sure what class you're running but, more oil = bigger heat sink.
We have a pan that can hold 10 but run about 8 or so.
Also check your oil's viscosity index on it's TD sheet. The higher that number the better the oil viscosity stays consistent through all temperatures.
An oil with a lower viscosity index will tend to thin out more as the temp rises compared to
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How many gallons does your pan hold? That's more important than the weight.
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The green one needs help anyway. And I will make sure I have some Windsor for you.
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Every top tractor is going to the dyno already and how much is the new turbo that was at nfms that everyone will now have to buy to keep up?
Just so some of us can understand, we are to believe with the current rules the competitors won't dyno every year and buy new latest turbos or other parts available to stay on top?
I will bet 6500 won't touch the new one.
I am not adv
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Personally I think the cast chassis has it's limits once that HP or Torque number is reached adding more cost to the competitors.
We ditched our 706 rear end when we wanted to go north of 3000 hp. Could we have kept it? Sure but I wanted to spend the money once.
I have no idea what the magic number is for the light pros, but as they get higher in HP there will be a lot of added co
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Too late on the dyno class part. How do you think they learned they can turn a 5" turbo?
All of these classes with 1 turbo are going to the dyno. DSS are now going to the dynos. That won't end either, they will keep going if there is something bigger or better to try each year to stay on top.
I liked the g trim turbo idea, not necessarily in favor of a box turbo for the class
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I agree with a lot of this.
I like the rules Outlaws have.
But if the rules don't have a good balance with other clubs/regions, when money is tight like with 3 dollar corn, your pool of pullers can can get a little tight. Especially when asking them to run 20 plus times for points.
We are always having this conversation as the pulling landscape changes. Doug started a l
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I agree with the DSS.
What is tough with them is that you have a sled set to stop the 4500 hp tractors at 235. Then you have some 3500 hp tractors that run really good, just don't look the same on 240 ft track. And on that track if the first 75 ft isn't right even the 4000 hp tractors can end up really short.
Maybe an idea is switch their format with the LSS???
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At 8000 lbs no I don't think so.
But at 7000 I do. The alky has more drivability out of the hole. The lighter the weight the diesel may have disadvantages of getting hooked and the speed needed.
HP to HP I can agree and the diesel carrying more torque. At the lighter weight the torque becomes less important.
And at the state and region level I think there are far more
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Obviously I am not Jake.
But I always thought a 6500/7000 class would be interesting to do. 505 max vs 540 max. up to 4 turbos and push rod motors
Leaves out some of those HSS that cant make 7000 but most regions have these tractors.
Maybe even 7000/7500.
Region has HSS now just never got a chance to pull the class last few years with the DSS classes that were ava
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To mathematician.....
So one person dontates $200 to a charity. With no one knowing about it. That charity still takes out their expenses too and advertising cost money.
1 person buys a t shirt at a pull and spends $20. That t shirt is seen walking around the pits and 20 more people ask where did you get that? And they go buy tshirts.
Now $420 has been spent and $210 donated.
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I am not sure who you would be, but obviously not at the Nebraska or Iowa convention because all I had posted was our 17 schedule.
And we didn't have it in MO or TX or KS. So what fair convention would this have been posted at?
Those are all shows we are working with yet.
Working on someone to go with Arlington.
Weeping Water is with Gibbon
Spencer, and the Fai
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Kurt meant lose to those other organizations.
Longdale couldn't have a pull, just wasn't in the cards. These types of shows we need to pair up as well.
West Liberty was spending too much for what we could provide on their solo wed night. ECI will do great there and both will benefit from it. Thank you West Liberty for the past years and good luck in 18.
Colby - we co
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Schedule things to clear up for the debbie downers.
1st NTPA and PPL and Outlaws will all have changes from the previous year. I know they have lost pulls too. and gained some as well. Happens every year.
2nd Iowa State Fair can't have a pull do to construction. It's been covered many times
3rd The other pulls off the schedule from 17, either couldn't affor
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Outlaw Pro Stocks stayed with the same turbo for 2018.
That is incorrect about what upper management wanted.
The pro stocks were told by myself no change was needed. Every organization is looking for more hooks and more sponsors. This though was not in correlation with pro stock rules.
They wanted to know their options though from Hyper if they did. So I presented the Hyper tu
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David I walked up to you and you said you didn't want to talk. If you didn't know who I was that explains quite a bit. David I wish you the best and know you weren't cheating. Kurt and I took a lot of flack for giving you a second time to cross the scale. But I thought it was the right thing to do. So I fail to see where either of us wronged you.
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We just asked you to dump the fuel and refill and allowed you to pull. I do not see where Kurt or I accused you of cheating.
We needed your number to match the rest of the field. And when the 2nd tank came back it was within the limit we allowed that day.
And we have tested for power mist. No one was using it in Spencer and every competitor that day had the exact same number on the
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We tested for it in Spencer IA this year. Just like any rule you are free to test your luck anytime.
For 2018 anyone caught at the scale will not hook that days event.
Anyone caught after the hook will be out 1 year and 10 days.
The final decision for post run DQ and year ban are subject to official lab test before decision is final. So our equipment is not what will be used to make
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Schaeffer's 75w140 full synthetic. Was new in 2012 and apart for inspection last winter and nothing outside of some normal and very minimal wear.
Should be quite a few good gear lubes out there. None of which should need or require any additives, should already be in the formulation.
On the TD sheets you can find the viscosity index, extreme pressure, anti wear propert
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